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Post by John on Mar 8, 2006 20:00:52 GMT 11
I have been told various things regarding in breeding some people say it is OK to breed brother to sister some say under no circumstances should you do it, I have even been told by a university professor on genetics that it is OK, some say you can only do it once. My question is I have a male split to Opaline and an Opaline hen but they are brother and sister is it safe to breed them back to each other in order to get Opaline birds?
John
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Post by fox on Mar 9, 2006 4:32:42 GMT 11
john i would say that you could breed them together, but i would only ever do this in extreme cercumstance's, eg. if a new colour was to come around. but seeing as though your trying to breed a opaline bird i would have to tell you to sell one of the birds and buy a replacement so as there they are not related geneticly. john if you sold the cock and replaced him with something like a cinnamon blue opaline, you would be able to breed opaline/cinnamon/blue cock, and cinnamon opaline/blue hens. the replacement cock would cost between $50-100, and the young that would be breed would help with future stock. it's probably not what you wanted to hear but i hope that it helps. the best place to find one of these birds would be from a bird sale, it might be worth going to fairfeild sale or something. hope this helps john.
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Post by John on Mar 9, 2006 10:24:57 GMT 11
Thanks for the info fox I'm not really worried about it not being what i want to hear it's information and and adds to my knowledge. I almost sold both of them yesterday but just wasn't sure just wasn't sure of what. Now i will do exactly what you suggest.
Just to add to it a bit what would the possibility if problems with the babies related to these two.
John
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Post by fox on Mar 9, 2006 14:50:08 GMT 11
i have never myself put brother and sister together, but i'm sure that there wouldn't of been a problem with the young one's. it's just not the best thing to do.
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Post by Brendan on Mar 9, 2006 16:55:09 GMT 11
is it allright to pair ut 2 birds that have the same cock as the father but the mothers were different
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Post by Amanda on Mar 9, 2006 23:25:50 GMT 11
I'm not too sure about the genetics of birds but in other animals John, the problem would mainly be if the children of Brother and sister were to mate with a close relative ie each other, first cousin, back to dad etc
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Post by Peter on Mar 10, 2006 15:23:41 GMT 11
I would not pair brother and sister, unless last resort!
I have been told father to daughter and mother to son is ok (still not good) for one generation out of so many.
Half brother and half sister should not be too bad. but like the others, avoid it if possible.
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Post by Amanda on Mar 10, 2006 15:31:35 GMT 11
Yeah I have been told that mother to son, father to daughter should only be done with that generation and to not do it with the offspring.
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Post by John on Mar 11, 2006 14:49:28 GMT 11
Thanks for all the answerer's and I am hearing what you say, don't pair brother and sister, everyone says don't do it WHY no one has given me a reason!!!!!, what will the results be.
John
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Post by oaklee on Mar 11, 2006 15:44:23 GMT 11
basically you are breeding a weaker bird. i have heard stories of birds with only one leg , blind birds as well as birds that can not fly. also there would be fertilaty problems from these birds. as a bird breeder it is just not the thing to do as you wouldn`t breed from the offspring of brother to sister so you would have to sell them to some other unfortunate person. the thing to do is buy in other blood lines or out cross them to normal green birds and then cross them back over the parents. but even then you still have the same blood lines inter mixing in the third and fourth generations. the thing is john you can get a blue opaline for $20 or $30 each these days. my advise is get rid of the normal split opaline cock bird and buy a blue opaline for $20 and put with the hen. it will ad new blood into your aviaries and be benafitial for all concerned. and as for the people who say it is okay to breed brother to sister there the ones in the bird game without a conscience and just breed birds for the money, i have no respect for these people at all.
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Post by Amanda on Mar 11, 2006 15:45:18 GMT 11
Why because of complications due to genetic inbreeding. You'd have defects both internal and external, differences in sizes and possible health problems like beak deformities, feather deformities. Problems with organs etc
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Post by Amanda on Mar 11, 2006 15:49:51 GMT 11
LOL I was too slow for Oaklee ^ what He said. I have only heard of breeding with relatives, I find it much easier to go and buy another male or female, then they can be bred with any others that you have and not worry about relation
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Post by John on Mar 11, 2006 15:56:52 GMT 11
Thank you both for your reply. I did know the answer but the point to the whole thing is when I tell people not to breed brother sister I can now say it is the opinion of knowledgeable and established breeders that this is not acceptable because of, and then give the reasons, Thanks once again guys.
John
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Post by Amanda on Mar 11, 2006 17:11:30 GMT 11
Now to educate the population this in regards to ALL animals! LOL
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Post by John on Mar 11, 2006 17:18:19 GMT 11
Now to educate the population this in regards to ALL animals! LOL Thats what it's all about Amanda, education and if we can contribute to that then i am happy. John
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